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A sterling essay. Enjoyable to read, and hopefully also correct about outcomes. The hypothetical speech you concocted was great. Thoroughly cohesive, and rational sounding (if only by way of being internally consistent), making it easily believable for those who believe easily, and therefore independent of any need for its featured postulates to be true, which as you noted, isn’t essential stuff, and often just a bother to worry over anyway. It was also amusing. When I’m ready to roll out my plans to take over the world, your speech writing talents will come in handy.

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I do wonder if another analogy to the current situation in the West can be drawn: Chinese Empire around the time of the Opium War.

The "primacy" of China by the beginning of 19th century was held up, even among its neighbors, more by pretense than reality: when the Chinese armies were beaten rather thoroughly by the Burmese/Myanmarese, the latter still kept up with the old protocols that presumed Chinese primacy because it was not worth the trouble to upset the institutional status quo. Thus, Qianlong Emperor could celebrate his "ten triumphs," counting the Burma/Myanmar campaign among them. This was necessary because whatever happened on China's frontiers could not be shown easily to the imperial court in Beijing. The Chinese emperor was far away and could keep the war going, even if Burmese/Myanmarese could defeat multiple expeditionary armies sent by Beijing. There was no way that China's foes on the frontiers could impose the victory on Beijing itself and force the imperial court to face the consequences directly. So they had to appease the emperor, humor him with ritualistic displays of submission--even if they actually won--so that the conflict would stop.

The British (and the French) were different. They actually had fairly modest aims at the beginning: awe the Chinese enough with their military prowess to resume the trade under favorable terms at Canton. The British were interested in shaping the conditions of the trade in the direction that they liked, but not so much interested in expanding the war (or anything else, really) beyond a sliver of Southern Chinese coastline where they could trade profitably. But the Chinese officials on the scene, both the provincial officials and envoys sent by Beijing, would not play ball: they lied to both their emperor and the British. They pretended to agree with the British demands and reported exact opposite to Beijing. When their interlocutors on both sides tried to follow up, they tried to muddy things up by conjuring up more lies and passing blame to everyone else. Eventually, the British got fed up with their antics and decided that a more aggressive campaign to force Chinese hand was necessary. Except even that wasn't quite enough: Chinese armies that arrived to fight them were badly prepared alright: they built their plans more on presumed deficiencies of the Westerners (mostly conjured out of their imaginings) and, when they broke down, their commanders made up for their failures by lying to their superiors--including claiming great victories that never happened, further confusing the planning of responses by the Chinese government (like what the Ukrainians are doing today). (Now, many of them (Especially Manchu and Mongol troops who formed the Qing Dynasty's "elite" units) did fight hard on the battlefield, but that wasn't exactly enough to make up; for massive deficiencies in technology, training, and organization.) In the end, the British had to march all the way to Beijing to make it plain to the Chinese imperial court that the situation was serious, it could not be muddled away by obfuscation and lies, and that the Chinese Empire had to negotiate seriously.

I see something similar unfolding for the West. The people who came up with the idea of "Ukrainian counteroffensive" seem no more grounded in reality than the Chinese generals during the Opium War. Now, I wonder if Western "leaders" are at the phase where the blame is on the ethnic Han Chinese troops, coupled with the expectation that the Manchus and Mongols, warrior peoples and all, would make short work of the "inherently inferior" Westerners. Admittedly, some Western military commanders, like some of the better Chinese generals in mid-19th century, know full well that their own armies are in horrible shape and their adversaries are capably led, well trained, and enjoy a great deal of technological advantage. But, what'll they do? Contradict their emperor and his advisors? So they might as well try to muddle along by making stuff up and hoping that things will blow over. But such a state of confused deception does not bring what their opposite numbers want and the other side has no reason to let the matter drop. The British in mid 19th century wanted specific terms under which they could trade that were guaranteed (which, they concluded, they had to impose on the emperor himself, after all the bad faith dealings with emperor's servants). The Russians in 2024 want specific and guaranteed terms under which their security could be assured (I assume they will deal only with the emperor in Washington, and possibly, from a position of military superiority like their British predecessors?) . Neither British in 19th century nor Russians in 2024 want "total victories," as they both know they can't afford them and they would welcome a workable "compromise" where they can conserve their resources and still get most of what they want with some assurances. They do not want more war, if a good enough outcome--an outcome with clarity--could be obtained: a long war breeds instability and their military resources are limited. Political aftermath after a military victory would be messy, even if they could achieve one (The British and French had to back up the Qing dynasty militarily at great cost to prevent it from collapsing under the weight of multiple rebellions right after the Second Opium War.). Both are, among other things, short on military resources (the British and later, the French, could call upon only a fairly small colonial army that they could not expect to conquer all of China. Russia does not have enough military resources, certainly not yet and possibly never, that would allow them to roll up all of Europe.) I do think Russians vis-a-vis Western Europe, like the British and French vis-a-vis China, have enough to forcibly show their adversaries that they mean business. Maybe the Russians will duplicate what the British did in 1860 (during the Second Opium War) and burn the Elysee, much the way the British and French did to the Old Summer Palace. Maybe they won't have the choice to do otherwise, for their opposite numbers have a shoddy grip on the reality.

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