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Alan Sutton's avatar

Shit, the first bits of this started to annoy me.

For example, I’m certain that Pol Pot was enabled by the Kissinger/Nixon illegal bombing of Cambodia that undermined the whole structure of that country. To try and tar the hippies with pro Pol Pot ideas seems a little disingenuous.

Maybe Aurelian remembers being annoyed that the songs he sang were not that popular back then? No more guitar playing, move on to essay writing. Thankfully for us.

But, the longer the essay goes on, the more impressive it becomes. As a critique of the opposition though.

It still avoids directly criticising imperialism from Washington as a deliberate strategy. Indeed, from The City of London up until now. They may not be the only actors but that is their agenda: Empire.

And, they are still powerful.

Not everything is complicated. Processes maybe, actors not so much.

john webster's avatar

Most of us – ALL of us - only understand things in hindsight. I surfed the 60’s without understanding it perhaps because we all embraced the hope of the post war generation.

A dialectical view of history would acknowledge that an objective/realist/material understanding of forces (economic, cultural, racial, military, social) is a pre-requisite for effective government. Just ask Bismark. But he had no problem with the ten commandments. It just wasn’t enough as a basis for conducting world affairs. It was on a different ‘level’.

This was considered the ‘private sphere’ just as some of the modern liberal views which ‘centrists’ are now trying to impose on us all by law should be private – like one’s religious views or sexual preferences. Personal liberalism - fine. Imposed ‘liberalism’ is a recipe for getting literally everything wrong – and unnecessarily wrong because it can never achieve consensus and looks to fight battles that should be avoided because they are on the wrong territory.

So private ‘morality’ (and indeed any view) is on a different level to the practise of politics, particularly geopolitics. And this is why I have contempt for lazy Liberalism because it is sloppy and fails to acknowledge unpleasant reality. Couple that with the messianic platitudes of ‘Blairism’ and you have all the ingredients for disaster.

There are some things that we need to protect our political masters (and ultimately ourselves) from. Acknowledge the argument of a foe who is determined, and dangerous. Look at the power of the enemy in every dimension. Put yourself in his (or her) shoes and try and find a solution (or way out). The very opposite of what ‘we’ have done in Ukraine and before that in Iraq.

When it comes to evaluating your point about politicians - ‘decision-makers like to think of themselves as moral actors: the world would be a considerably safer place if they didn’t' – why do I think of Yvette Cooper? They USE arguments that they must know are utterly specious. Are they that thick? Or are they just opportunists? Or, worse, do they actually believe it?

The problem with messianic liberalism is that it is really back to the Crusades. We attack even when we are outnumbered because ‘it is the right thing to do’. General Bernard Montgomery put it well when he was asked about his lessons on war – ‘Page one, Rule one – Don’t march on Moscow’.

So, I’m all for liberal moralism so long as it stops at the front door. When it comes to politics we need to take into account the strength of the forces we need to prevail over against the desire whatever it is we want to achieve. (And there is a BIG debate over who ‘WE’ are).

That being said – that there is a need to work as much as possible for the demise of the Anglo/US Empire – but this must ‘be done slowly’, with as little kinetic conflict as possible because the only way the Anglo-Empire will survive is through war.

Whatever Liberal virtue it may have had has been eroded in its ‘Forever Wars’ and buried once and for all in Gaza. Military defeat stares in Ukraine; economic defeat accelerated by BRICS and Trumps sanctions and moral defeat in the ruins of Gaza. (The ultimate punch in the face for ‘Liberalism’).

Liberalism gave us hope in the 60’s and 70’s BUT it isn’t enough. So, the last typically sardonic line ‘It’s a good thing the international environment is so stable, or we might be in real trouble.’ reminds me of that line in Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid – just before they charge out with all guns blazing against the might of the Mexican army.

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